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post #1 of 22 Old 05-05-2014, 02:11 PM Thread Starter
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They arrived on Saturday, I had to wait til today to ride one, they have to have more than 25 miles on them before the Riders Edge bikes can be rode.

FYI I am riding this before all the drop protection is on it, and before the rev limiter on first through third is flashed into it.

I am riding it at 4750 ASL, so this will derate the horsepower to 0.94. So 33.5 times 0.94 to reach approx. 31.5 HP.

I was riding in 72 F weather so no derate for temp.

I am 5'6" and 169 Pounds.

These are my opinions, they are always correct. If you have a different opinion then yours is correct for you, mine are always correct for me.

The bike is small. Sits on a 1982 GS1100 Kick Stand as far as I can tell. And the kick stand is switched so it must be up to go into gear.

My dealer turns me loose on bikes I want to ride because he knows my interest is the design function of the bike, not tearing up the equipment.

I tossed my Cor Tech Magnetic on the tank and started the ride.




For me the riding in the beginning is a lot of parking lot work just to see what the engineers did and did not do.

First I check the rear wheel to front wheel tracking in the slow tight turn radius. There is about a 12 percent crabbing of the rear tire in the tight turn lean. This bike goes over further than any Harley I have ridden. (Never been on a street Rod but I hear they go over well too, my VRSCA does not I am always dragging radiator shrouds)

Then the lock to lock turn. This is one of the few mistakes I found in the engineering. The steering turn locks allow for the bike to go over the trail and contact patch creating a situation where a low speed a tight turn will want to through the bike to the ground on the forward axle axis. This can be fixed it desired by adding in 5/8 of an inch to each turn stop.

Turn at speed, at 12 miles per hour the bike can do a 34 foot turn leaned over pretty far. Switching direction of the 12 MPH turn requires 14 feet for a comfortable figure 8 with no tear drop shape to it. (this indicates a gear dragging turn should be about 28 feet, but I am a pussyy so I did not push it to chicken strips of the tires)

Low speed control is very nice, all slow speed maneuvers I performed are with the clutch plates closed up. I do not play in friction zones except start and stop. The rest of my riding is clutch open clutch closed. The loops and figure eights are easily performed with a completely closed clutch. The tightest turns possible do require one to sit more on the higher elevated part of the seat (the side edge of the seat pointed towards the sky in the turn) for best response, failure to reposition does cause a slightly large circle. There is a torque fight bucking at 0.5 MPH when really letting it lug. No one rides in this range, but I wanted to know.

Panic stops are excellent from 45 MPH to O. Not much more than 25 feet on average. When I was doing them I locked the back up twice, this did add 3 feet to the stopping distance. I do lean up on the handle bars when performing a panic stop distance test. So sometimes I get a lot of weight off the rear wheel which is why I think it locked a couple times.

Twisty performance is very good. Lean angle is real good. Please don't respond that your Ducati can take it, it makes you look very stupid. The point is the bike drives very nice in S turns and sweepers, two closing radius turns were tested, excellent machine for these turns. While many push forward on the inner bar, I am a push the inner while curling the wrist up on the outer bar lifting it. The bike will drop right into the new radius with no problem. The bike did allow me to scrape a knee in one of the tighter turns. Though this is due to my flopping the inside knee towards the curbing and riding the outside knee up to the tank line on purpose.

Acceleration is fantastic to 55 MPH. No problem playing in traffic, no problem catching up or passing.

Highway speed.... Acceleration from 55 MPH to 70 MPH is very acceptable, however, 70 to the 87 MPH limit it had with me on it is very slow. 75 MPH is hit fairly easily, but from there above is a crap shoot. Grade and wind play with the 31 HP available and it shows. That said we are talking about a 31 HP machine. So it is what it is, two hour trip, probably OK, 4 I don't think so at highway speeds. I do not think the 750 will be a problem in this area.

Shocks and forks, I took some of the biggest gulley washer dips I know of, never bottomed out and never tried to launch me.

I think they have got something here, I can see these buzzing around town and what not. I can see these being used as a learner bike easy. I can see the 750 as a daily driver and weekender bike pretty easy too.

My ride was 24 miles. I like the thing, but then I bought one so my opinion started the ride as positive.

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Bbally, thank you for the wonderfully detailed review !

Questions:

Clutch - light? stiff? normal friction zone or small friction zone? Heard the engage/disengage point is set pretty far out, that true? Is clutch adjustable? For someone with small, arthritic hands (me), what do you think?

Leg room - what is your inseam? did your legs feel cramped? did you wish the pegs were forward or back from their factory position?

Riding position - did seat tilt you forward or back? Were you sitting on your tailbone or your hipbones? Did you have to lean into the handlebars and put weight on your arms?

Handlebar buzz - was there any? Did your hands go sleep?

Sounds like the suspension was pretty soft and cushy.

I am an older person with arthritis and circulatory problems. Any feedback you can give on ergonomics and comfort or discomfort would be very helpful. Thank you.
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Bbally, thank you for the wonderfully detailed review !

Questions:

Clutch - light? stiff? normal friction zone or small friction zone? Heard the engage/disengage point is set pretty far out, that true? Is clutch adjustable? For someone with small, arthritic hands (me), what do you think?

Leg room - what is your inseam? did your legs feel cramped? did you wish the pegs were forward or back from their factory position?

Riding position - did seat tilt you forward or back? Were you sitting on your tailbone or your hipbones? Did you have to lean into the handlebars and put weight on your arms?

Handlebar buzz - was there any? Did your hands go sleep?

Sounds like the suspension was pretty soft and cushy.

I am an older person with arthritis and circulatory problems. Any feedback you can give on ergonomics and comfort or discomfort would be very helpful. Thank you.

To me the clutch is light. Very light.

Friction zone is normal. Where the clutch engages is easily adjustable as it is a cable clutch with the normal adjustments at the lever.

I don't think you will have any trouble with the clutch at all

My inseam? I dress right so the left side measures 30.5 inches. The right side no one has measured. Lol

I wish the pegs were forward. Pegs are more 1980s gs 850 than LTD 750. If you rode back then. More up right than laid back. But remember I love the pegs on the VRSCA which many hate. So I ride more easy rider than Wild ones style.

Riding position is upright to a slight lean forward. But not enough to where you have weight on your arms. The seat is multi curved. I rode it straight and forward in curve aggressive style. It does not feel like a lean back seat in any way. Sat square on my asss cheeks behind the hip in front of the point. No weight on arms.

No buzz quiet. Hands did not fatigue at all. Though I would slide on a larger grip. Standard harley grip so many choices.

Suspension is soft but can be ratcheted up in the rear. Rode nice. I took it to some of the diggers that have got me this spring. No problem no bottom out.

I think you will like the low center of gravity. I think you will like the power to weight. I think you would like the handling.



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Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated. I am about the same height and inseam as you (although I only weigh about 115), so your assessment of your fitment to the bike is very helpful.
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Great assessment, it helps to hear it from someone with real experience. Looking forward to more of these.



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sweet photo

and thanks for sharing the info!
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great writeup

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so if you had to change one thing on the street what would it be?
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Thanks bbally, its always a pleasure to see your posts!

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hey bbally were you able to discern who the US spec suspension supplier is? Are the Streets using Endurance like the Indian bikes or a more typical Showa?

Great write up, thoroughly enjoyed it. Cheers!
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