Bucket Talk

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Livin On

Discussion Starter · Jun 3, 2014

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Open Faces or 3/4's seem to be the rage for the typical bandanna men, but I like to think we're all a bit smarter than that

You can protect yourself and still keep an old school flair that fits with your ride.

I've been looking at a couple of retro styled helmets that would fit with the street perfectly. Both full face.

Bell Bullit

Biltwell ******

http://blog.helloelo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Vintage-White-Biltwell-******-Helmet-Full-Face-Moto-Blog-mode-Montreal-blogueuse-mode-tendance-mode-printemps-ete-2013-hello-elo-elodie-laetitia-fashion-blogger-8.jpg

The ****** comes without a visor and you will have to purchase a snap on one from Biltwell or simply go goggles...

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gears

· #2 · Jun 3, 2014

I check helmet ratings as well as look and style.
One thing I've always remembered that my father told me 40 years ago...
"If you feel you have a $5 head, then buy a $5 helmet".
Staying alive is another way of looking cool.

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Desert Tortoise

· #3 · Jun 3, 2014

Look at that diagram of impact distribution. Look at the percentage of hits to the chin bar compared to other parts of the helmet. If that doesn't convince someone to wear a full face helmet, I don't know what will. I did a face plant during a pretty high speed crash and I can still vividly remember scraping down the pavement face down on the helmet chin bar as it shoveled heaps of gravel into the helmet and in my face. Without that chin bar I would have been horribly disfigured, maybe dead. Instead I had some broken ribs and nothing else, the Aerostich suit, gloves and boots prevented any road rash.

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Puneet

· #4 · Jun 3, 2014

Indians need to see the diagram who drive without Helmets all the time.

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harleyhoonigan

· #5 · Jun 3, 2014

gears said:
I check helmet ratings as well as look and style.
One thing I've always remembered that my father told me 40 years ago...
"If you feel you have a $5 head, then buy a $5 helmet".
Staying alive is another way of looking cool.

That is so true.
How I see it, we spend THOUSANDS on our bikes just to buy them, we should at least factor in the cost of a great helmet into that as it should be well protected. Can't put a price on your safety.

Desert Tortoise

· #6 · Jun 3, 2014

Puneet said:
Indians need to see the diagram who drive without Helmets all the time.

Indians? Half the states in the US don't have helmet laws. When I'm on travel in states without a helmet law and see riders riding down the freeway without a helmet it makes me swallow hard. One mistake and you are dead. I have what might be news to some; we're humans and won't stop making mistakes until the day we die. Hopefully it isn't one of these mistakes that sends you to the grave. Enjoy riding, but use your intelligence and manage risks accordingly folks.

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bbally

· #7 · Jun 3, 2014

Don't wear one, never have, never will.

I am supportive of anyone that wants to ride with any safety equipment they wish. But I feel the rider should decide.

I know the risks, I accept them. After 35 years now I still know it could happen tomorrow and work diligently to make sure I see it and avoid it. But I know it may happen and accept that as a risk of what I do.

I spend a lot of money with AMA PAC to keep my choices open, because the way I see it, it starts with helmets and ends with the outlawing of motorcycles because cars are way safer if you get in an accident.

And yes it was tried, while it singled out a particular type of motorbike, it still was the start, cost a lot of money from those of us that write checks for AMA PAC to lobby and beat the sportbike ban... but it was worth it so people make the choice not the government. Same when we spent millions fighting the insurance groups both medical insurance and driver insurance over their idea they could say what could be driven and what could be covered.

Once you decide your thoughts are correct for everyone else, you begin a slide on a slippery slope that closes the door in the end on everyone.

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bbally

· #8 · Jun 3, 2014

harleyhoonigan said:
Can't put a price on your safety.

So you are saying you should ride in a car or truck always?

Do you admit you can accept certain risks to your safety for the pursuit of something you love to do?

Yours may be a different level then mine, but you have accepted something less safe as a mode of transport than the safer options you could choose that are available to you.

You will put your head in a plastic padded bowl costing $600 when you could put it in a $15K car and be safer. Isn't you head worth $15K or just $600?

I don't need this answered, I am just saying we all accept different risk levels. You just accepted way more risk than a car driver.

What if that became the rallying cry? "Drive a car and stay alive"? Would you support that, the statistics certainly show you are less likely to die if in crash in a motor car or truck.

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Livin On

Discussion Starter · #9 · Jun 3, 2014

bbally said:
So you are saying you should ride in a car or truck always?

Do you admit you can accept certain risks to your safety for the pursuit of something you love to do?

Yours may be a different level then mine, but you have accepted something less safe as a mode of transport than the safer options you could choose that are available to you.

You will put your head in a plastic padded bowl costing $600 when you could put it in a $15K car and be safer. Isn't you head worth $15K or just $600?

I don't need this answered, I am just saying we all accept different risk levels. You just accepted way more risk that a car driver.

What if that became the rallying cry? "Drive a car and stay alive"? Would you support that, the statistics certainly show you are less likely to die if in a motor vehicle.

completely understood both of your posts. I wear a bucket because I want to, you don't because you don't want to... Isn't that what this is all about the freedom to make choices accordingly?

It makes me cringe when people feel it is necessary to protect people from the risks they wish to expose themselves to... again isn't that freedom of choice

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bbally

· #10 · Jun 3, 2014

Livin On said:
completely understood both of your posts. I wear a bucket because I want to, you don't because you don't want to... Isn't that what this is all about the freedom to make choices accordingly?

It makes me cringe when people feel it is necessary to protect people from the risks they wish to expose themselves to... again isn't that freedom of choice

Totally agree. I still cringe when I think of the money we had to raise and spend to beat back the Sport Bike ban... then less than a year later the NTSB (not in any official way I could prove) got the idea the insurance companies could make their wishes come true. Another round, though not as expensive as the sport bike ban lobbying was......

Temperance Unions of any kind scare the crap out of me.

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gears

· #11 · Jun 3, 2014

I thought this thread was about what type of helmet one might like to purchase, and not whether or not somebody should be forced into wearing said helmet.

Sherri

· #12 · Jun 3, 2014

gears said:
I thought this thread was about what type of helmet one might like to purchase, and not whether or not somebody should be forced into wearing said helmet.

Well, let's get things back on track.

I currently wear an Arai full face helmet. But my husband and I are thinking about getting this Schuberth C3 helmet. It is a full face, but the entire front half of the helmet flips up, including the chin piece. Much easier to get in and out of, especially if you wear glasses.

Schuberth C3 Solid Helmets, Silver, Matte Black, White, Anthracite - Compacc

stude

· #13 · Jun 4, 2014

Up until last year, I always wore a full face helmet. I tried a "cool" Skid Lid once, it was like a saucer strapped to my head, and about as effective, I am sure. Not for me.

I now have an Icon Alliance Snell approved FF, and my newest addition, a Bell Mag 9 Sena three quarter. The Mag 9 has an inner shaded shield in addition to the clear outer, and a small visor. It is much cooler (temperature-wise) than the FF, and is generally what I use. My next helmet will be a FF with the shaded inner and clear outer shield. Not having to mess with stuffing sunglasses inside a helmet is priceless.

I have never tried a modular helmet, so I can't comment. I see that now there are Snell approved modular helmets available.

Desert Tortoise

· #14 · Jun 4, 2014

Roads are built and funded with taxpayer money to promote economic development. They are part of the infrastructure a nation has to build if it wants to develop economically and raise the standard of living of it's citizens. The taxpayers are not putting up their hard earned to pay for playgrounds for motorcycle riders. A nation has a duty to regulate highway use to maximize their benefit to the nation as a whole and that includes making them as safe as possible to use for everyone. Driving or riding is not a right. It is a privilege earned by passing tests, a demonstration of skills and by obeying the traffic laws decided upon by our elected representatives. This "right to ride" and "right not to wear a helmet" nonsense has no foundation in law. The roads are not there for your enjoyment and the rest of us are not obliged to permit unsafe highway uses, including driving without a seatbelt, child seat or helmet as applicable if that increases road fatalities and creates economic costs. All this talk about rights? Driving or riding isn't a right. If you can't follow the rules then park it. I don't have an ounce of patience for that ridiculous argument.

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Puneet

· #15 · Jun 4, 2014

We call all these Privileges out here in India. How about Right not to wear Helmets and Seat Belts, Right not to give driving test before getting a licence, Right to jump Traffic Lights, Right to Exhibit Top Speed to the Cop when asked to stop and not to forget Right to enjoy Chilled Beer in Hot Summers while Driving.

Even our Elected Representatives enjoy these Rights like Right not to build roads in Constitutencies in which the Ruling Party Lost etc..

And for the protection of these rights one doesn't need to go to courts these are our Fundamental Rights though not Guranteed by Constitution.

I remember an incident when I was younger, once while travelling by car with my Uncle I was enjoying Chilled Beer and somehow asked him isn't Public Drinking Prohibited! He replied to take it easy and take a look at the cops passing by in their Jeep also enjoying Beer! As they say "It Happens Only In India."

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harleyhoonigan

· #16 · Jun 4, 2014

Indians have more rights and freedom than americans from how it seems lately!

Livin On

Discussion Starter · #17 · Jun 4, 2014

the only thing in this life you have a right to is death. Collectively we don't get a say in how another life disappears into the dust. Where is the correlation between motorcycle fatalities and increased economic costs, costs to whom and in what capacity? Surely motorcycle fatalities/accidents are not causing catastrophic infrastructure damage, a motorcycle death is far less of a burden on the medical system than say one of the typical obese Joe Sixpacks dying a slow drawn out death of heart disease, diabetes and endless strokes for the last 30 odd years of their lives. Or how about a cancer patient and their exorbitant level of care needed, sensitive I know but consider it.

The problem is motorcycle fatalities are one and done, there's no money in it for the medical industry

The "right to not wear a helmet" does in fact have foundation in the law, evidenced by the numerous states without mandatory helmet laws.

Puneet

· #18 · Jun 4, 2014

harleyhoonigan said:
Indians have more rights and freedom than americans from how it seems lately!

Don't feel like commenting but you subscribe to an English Indian news channel and you get the idea!

Desert Tortoise

· #19 · Jun 4, 2014

Livin On said:
the only thing in this life you have a right to is death. Collectively we don't get a say in how another life disappears into the dust. Where is the correlation between motorcycle fatalities and increased economic costs, costs to whom and in what capacity? Surely motorcycle fatalities/accidents are not causing catastrophic infrastructure damage, a motorcycle death is far less of a burden on the medical system than say one of the typical obese Joe Sixpacks dying a slow drawn out death of heart disease, diabetes and endless strokes for the last 30 odd years of their lives. Or how about a cancer patient and their exorbitant level of care needed, sensitive I know but consider it.

The problem is motorcycle fatalities are one and done, there's no money in it for the medical industry

The "right to not wear a helmet" does in fact have foundation in the law, evidenced by the numerous states without mandatory helmet laws.

It is not a right because a state can change their vehicle code to require helmets, seat belts, child seats, daylight headlights or any other aspect of road use for that matter and there is no violation of the Constitution. If it were, then states would not be permitted to have helmet laws. The People invent "rights" out of thin, when in fact they are not rights but their personal desires mascarading as "rights".

Livin On

Discussion Starter · #20 · Jun 4, 2014

I'm not talking about constitutional rights, I'm talking about the rights to be a human being with control over their own discretion and actions. When you eliminate that from the populace a society is left in a precarious position of follow the leader, me too hand out culture where we're constantly spinning from one expert to another looking for a reprieve from the crippling angst that has become day to day life.

The right to be a man (or woman) with a mind, one that discerns, reflects and ultimately takes actions based on said.

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