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called 4 regional dealers today , these are the figure qouted (all in kilometer per litre)-
25kmpl highway .
15-20 city , 20-25 highway
15-20 city, 20-25 highway
15 city , 20-25 highway .

15 kmpl = 35.28mpg
20 kmpl = 47mpg

These are exact same figures are iron 883cc.

Also test ride will be from april 2nd week onwards so no hands-on experience for another 30days atleast.

When I asked them why mileage is similar to iron even though performance is inferior(their own word , yes it it wont be able to outrun the heavier iron) , they didn't give a straight answer but diverted the topic.


Anyone else who contacts the dealer , can you guys please verify the numbers .
 

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thanks for posting this.
MPG's don't seem too bad at all actually
do you think it might even slightly differ in the Street?
I was expecting higher figure to be honest , 20 kmpl average in city and 25 on highway . This motor is based on current gen tech yet has same fuel efficiency as iron while inferior in performance(one harley dealer said this outright - iron is faster in every sense). Ideally it should be superior on both fronts , atleast on one.
 

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i wonder if they just gave you the iron figures . there is no way the numbers are exactly the same as the iron
No they didn't . And those are approx figures dozens of iron owners have reported in india. Everyone gets 22-24 avg on highway which is same as the number qouted by dealers for street(20+ , 20-25).

Mileage is a huge deal in india because of outrageous fuel prices so dealers always take extra care before qouting a figure.
 

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A motorcycle like this with a modern engine and power train with this size and type of engine at this performance level should net at least 55 mpg U.S., highway. My Honda CTX700 gets in the mid seventies. Yamaha, Suzuki, BMW, Kawasaki all have similarly-sized and powered and curb weighted bikes and all get in the mid to upper fifties. The BMW's maybe even a little better. No one does as well as Honda at mpg, but the HD should come in with the other Japanese brands. It's really not that tough of a standard for a 750 bike with a V-twin against these other brands, because they don't really focus on good fuel economy. This is disappointing, and if true, is a deal breaker for me. I have to cut it off somewhere. And 50 mpg is the point where I draw the line on a small, not-so-fast bike, even if it is as cool as the Street 750. It sort of defeats the point of a small bike if it drinks gas like a super sport or a touring bike.
 

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I am going throw my two cents in here. IF... it is the same as the 883 as they claim... there are a lot of guys over on the XL Forum that get upwards of 70 mpg with 883s on the highway, many claim well into 60s, with mid 50s or so city driving.
I have a carbed XL1200, and push 50 mpg highway, 45 city/highway mix WITH sport windshield and bags. My old 91 XL1200 used to get 52 mpg combined, riding bare (no, not naked, I mean bare bike).
My opinion on the reason that the Street 750 and the XL883 could be the same mileage is the difference in optimal engine RPM. I suspect that the cruise RPM on the Street is higher than the Evo 883, just as the redline is much higher on the Street.
You must keep in mind that how YOU operate any bike will be the biggest determining factor in fuel mileage. Ride easy and you will be rewarded, ride like you stole it, and well, you know what I am saying.
 

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Yes I categorically asked them 2 things-
1. Mileage is same as iron 883 and they replied yes they are both more or less same.
2. I also asked them to compare performance - every single one refused to and beat around the bush . The vibe I got was the street is weaker .

You should note that mileage is a huge deal in india and can prove the biggest deal breaker/maker when it comes to decisions. So if a dealer is qouting a number , he will take extra care and will almost certainly qoute the real world number(if not the upper limit which is what most do).

You guys have much better and open roads than india so it is possible you get better numbers . And yes it goes without saying that a lot depends on the rider though they won't qoute the figure for riding it like your pant is on fire ...
 

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Yes I categorically asked them 2 things-
1. Mileage is same as iron 883 and they replied yes they are both more or less same.
2. I also asked them to compare performance - every single one refused to and beat around the bush . The vibe I got was the street is weaker .

You should note that mileage is a huge deal in india and can prove the biggest deal breaker/maker when it comes to decisions. So if a dealer is qouting a number , he will take extra care and will almost certainly qoute the real world number(if not the upper limit which is what most do).

You guys have much better and open roads than india so it is possible you get better numbers . And yes it goes without saying that a lot depends on the rider though they won't qoute the figure for riding it like your pant is on fire ...
if performance is weaker and the street is lighter how can they possibly be identical? I think you've been the victim of subterfuge. Not to mention the Rev X engine *should* be far more efficient than the iron 883, overhead vs rods...
 

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You are not calculating in rider weight and wind resistance. I have a 30 year old BMW K100RS and a 2007 Harley Street Rod. With my rotund carcass on them and with the same fat fist twisting the throttle, attacking the same curvy roads at the same manic speeds, both bikes achieve roughly similar mileages, though the Beemer is typically about 2-3 mpg better. One is an undersquare in line four with two valves per cylinder and weighs only 550 lbs wet while the other is an 1130 cc V-Twin with four valves per cylinder and a 650 lb wet weight, and 28 more rear wheel horsepower measured on the dyno (both bikes). Both are liquid cooled and fuel injected. Yet the mileage achieved by both bikes doesn't vary much. Go figure.
 

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if performance is weaker and the street is lighter how can they possibly be identical? I think you've been the victim of subterfuge. Not to mention the Rev X engine *should* be far more efficient than the iron 883, overhead vs rods...
my point exactly and I asked as much when conversing with the dealer but he failed to explain it .

Even asking about power/torque was met with "more information after the official launch on march 1st". Only the mileage figure was offered without resistance .
 

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I can't see how the Street would have the exact same mpg figures as the Iron. The Street is so much lighter and less powerful. That should mean that it gets better fuel economy. We should start up at thread on what people's real world mpg ratings are like. I bet they would be better than these numbers.
 

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2. I also asked them to compare performance - every single one refused to and beat around the bush . The vibe I got was the street is weaker ....
Really, they can't speak on performance if they have not ridden them to compare. I would be more worried if they were telling you how well it performs without having ridden one.
 

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Really, they can't speak on performance if they have not ridden them to compare. I would be more worried if they were telling you how well it performs without having ridden one.
They(as in dealers/salesmen) are selling the bike from tomorrow , if they can't basic provide performance details from tomorrow onwards , it is unacceptable irrespective of whether they have personally used the bike or not. They don't have to ride it personally to compare , it is the job of harley davidson to educate them with basic details. HD never provides dyno charts or BHP figures first hand(atleast not HD india , one has to rely on a website/owner carrying out the dyno-run ) , the least they can do is compare it to the next model in the lineup .
 

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They(as in dealers/salesmen) are selling the bike from tomorrow , if they can't basic provide performance details from tomorrow onwards , it is unacceptable irrespective of whether they have personally used the bike or not. They don't have to ride it personally to compare , it is the job of harley davidson to educate them with basic details. HD never provides dyno charts or BHP figures first hand(atleast not HD india , one has to rely on a website/owner carrying out the dyno-run ) , the least they can do is compare it to the next model in the lineup .
I know what you are saying, but I doubt HD themselves will provide comparative model performance information to their dealers and sales people. I would think (and hope) that your dealer is sharing all the information they currently have with you. Maybe they have been instructed not to until the "official" launch?
The good news is that you should only have to wait another day to find out. I am sure they don't expect to book orders with only limited information. They should have it all available prior to ordering.
 

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I know what you are saying, but I doubt HD themselves will provide comparative model performance information to their dealers and sales people. I would think (and hope) that your dealer is sharing all the information they currently have with you. Maybe they have been instructed not to until the "official" launch?
The good news is that you should only have to wait another day to find out. I am sure they don't expect to book orders with only limited information. They should have it all available prior to ordering.
Yes I think you are right that they prolly refrained from discussing too much until the launch . I will be visiting the dealership in 3-4 days(don't have one in my city) and will definitely share whatever info I can get. Will record the exhaust note also if they start up the motor .
 

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Yes I think you are right that they prolly refrained from discussing too much until the launch . I will be visiting the dealership in 3-4 days(don't have one in my city) and will definitely share whatever info I can get. Will record the exhaust note also if they start up the motor .
it is a big deal for them after all which makes them being tightlipped about things understandable to me.
at least we know we're getting a great bike, just need to be patient about all the details, it's tough!
 
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