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Hello Folks

I am planning for an SE slip on Exhaust upgrade.

I have few queries.

1) I am going for the SE slip on for perfoamnce & sound.

2) Do i need to go in for a upgradfe of Air filter. (if Yes which gives best perfoamnce)

3) Do i need to to go for Stage 1 upgrade of ecu ? If yes what are the implications on perfoamnce?

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IMO, I would go with the firebrand loose cannon slip on muffler, it is the best value and with the optional db killer baffle the sound is awesome!


as far as adding a free'r flowing air filter, I would go with the vance and hines naked air filter kit, another member on this site highly recommended it over the SE kit, for superior performance.


and yes on the remapping of the fuel management, so I would recommend the vance and hines fp3, over the SE programmer.


read up on the ability's or features of each and you'll see why.


all the above is the best value, user friendly and performance as of today IMO
 

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SE slip-on and the SE Air Cleaner.......you can upgrade the ECM by getting Harley to do it, or get an aftermarket tuner, like the PowerVision or the Vance & Hines FP3

I've seen the above combo in action, and sounds awesome....you will find Vance and Hines fans, Firebrand fans and other brands too....like Two Bros...each has there own fan clubs

Personally I prefer Harley kit....but thats just me

Give it a day or 2 and I will be putting my SE Stage 1 kit on and will put up a video.....
 

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UPDATED:

Hope this provides some idea of what the Screaming Eagle sounds like....makes it far more audible and ....yes, it sounds like a HARLEY!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QjQP-Uk444

Not a performance upgrade...it's 225kg + RIDER...but runs nice, changes gears better....smooth riding...for me it's all about being heard for safety



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IMO, I would go with the firebrand loose cannon slip on muffler, it is the best value and with the optional db killer baffle the sound is awesome!


as far as adding a free'r flowing air filter, I would go with the vance and hines naked air filter kit, another member on this site highly recommended it over the SE kit, for superior performance.


and yes on the remapping of the fuel management, so I would recommend the vance and hines fp3, over the SE programmer.


read up on the ability's or features of each and you'll see why.


all the above is the best value, user friendly and performance as of today IMO
I agree about the loose cannon!
 

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I put a speed merchant slip on, on my Street 750...took my bike in to the dealership for my recall repair....when I went to pick it up, the mechanic and service mgr both asked me where I got it and how did you hear about it?....they had never heard of speed merchant....they told me it was the best sounding slip on they have ever heard.
 

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I just asked my dealer service dept. And was told the SE Muffler might need a Stage 1 ECU download. I didn't mention the K&N AF I have. The ECU reprogram would cost $200. Definitely holding off on that.
 

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if you are running a free'r flowing air filter, then add an aftermarket slipon, I would sure get it remapped it if was me.


other wise it will likely run way too lean....i..e... bad decal popping....engine runs too hot....definitely void your warranty :eek: if the engine burns valves or pistons....IMO
 

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if you are running a free'r flowing air filter, then add an aftermarket slipon, I would sure get it remapped it if was me.


other wise it will likely run way too lean....i..e... bad decal popping....engine runs too hot....definitely void your warranty :eek: if the engine burns valves or pistons....IMO
PIPE and FREE FLOW AIRCLEANER is a REMAP - NO QUESTION!!!
 

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KiwiHOG - did you do just the pipe, or did you also add the air cleaner?

If just the pipe, did you do a remap on that? Is a remap necessary if you're only adding the Screaming Eagle exhaust?
 

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KiwiHOG - did you do just the pipe, or did you also add the air cleaner?

If just the pipe, did you do a remap on that? Is a remap necessary if you're only adding the Screaming Eagle exhaust?
I put a Speed Merchant on mine at first (no air filter upgrade) and a remap was 100% necessary. I got a quote from the dealer for $200 some odd dollars for a stage 1 remap. I think $260!!! I told them that was crazy, got an FP3 for maybe $315 on Amazon and used the Auto-tune function (I'm in CA so there are no maps to download). For the extra dollars I think it is worth it to get the ability to make my own maps based on my bike and how I ride. If I change anything in future I know that I can tune her myself and get in there and tweak anything and everything just the way I want it!
 

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I put a Speed Merchant on mine at first (no air filter upgrade) and a remap was 100% necessary. I got a quote from the dealer for $200 some odd dollars for a stage 1 remap. I think $260!!! I told them that was crazy, got an FP3 for maybe $315 on Amazon and used the Auto-tune function (I'm in CA so there are no maps to download). For the extra dollars I think it is worth it to get the ability to make my own maps based on my bike and how I ride. If I change anything in future I know that I can tune her myself and get in there and tweak anything and everything just the way I want it!
Have to agree here. While it "pairs" to only a single bike (and many say that's a negative), having the ability to use multiple maps with that single bike is a HUGE advantage.

As an example, I used the base map on mine and was "auto tuning" a map. Well at one point I had 52 TPS cells learned and went to apply them. Something happened and ALL the data erased during the transfer that never completed. If you have used the auto tune before then you know how "hard it was" to learn 52 cells, and what kind of riding that entails at both ends of the RPM spectrum lol. Needless to say I was pissed. At any rate, while "continuing to auto tune" my MPG dipped really low (like fuel light on at 80 miles) and the bike began acting a little off. So I added another map then remapped it BACK to a non-custom (non-auto tune) map and "everything cleared up" perfectly. Back to tip top performance, back to 120 miles before the fuel light comes on, and back normal.

This was a huge benefit for me. Being this is the 1st time I used an FP3 on my bike there is a learning period but you can do that with this. At any time you can make changes, revert to other maps, or install custom maps if you are into that. Plus if you wanted to see all the details about the engine during riding, you could mount a phone to the bike and see all the mechanical details in real-time when driving.

Just my thoughts but do your own proper research so YOU will be happy with the decisions and choices that YOU end up making and that YOU have to live with.

Also, to me, just put in the V&H naked air intake (hi flow) and through on a Fireabrand Cannon at the same time and use the FP3 to tune it; you will NOT be disappointed. The add-on's are all preference but after doing about 3 weeks worth of research and discovery, this was the setup that I thought was the best possible for total cost outlay.

PS - if anyone wants to buy, or needs to buy, the "Chrome Cover" for the V&H Naked 02 intake let me know. I bought it for my bike and realized it was CHROME after I opened it lol. I never used it at all as I used the one in the kin and bought the black one I wanted. It's for sale and you save a bunch of money off NEW. They charge a crazy $60-$75 just for the cover so here is a chance to get one for much much less.



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And also, if you just get the slip on (without installing a high flow intake as well) and it is NOT an open baffle core then I don't believe you need to remap the ECM.

However, if you add the high flow intake you def need the remap. If also though your exhaust IS an open core baffle, then I also believe you need the remap. Some of the exhausts are open core, some are not; but an open core baffle exhaust will runner leaner and need to be configured as such.

There are also for sale filters, and even intakes, that do NOT introduce a true "high air flow" situation that would be ok with NOT performing a remap. For example, the Arlen Ness (not sure on correct spelling sorry) air intake for the Street 750 model is NOT a true high flow intake.

Just my opinion of course. Just better to be SAFE then SORRY.



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Have to agree here. While it "pairs" to only a single bike (and many say that's a negative), having the ability to use multiple maps with that single bike is a HUGE advantage.

As an example, I used the base map on mine and was "auto tuning" a map. Well at one point I had 52 TPS cells learned and went to apply them. Something happened and ALL the data erased during the transfer that never completed. If you have used the auto tune before then you know how "hard it was" to learn 52 cells, and what kind of riding that entails at both ends of the RPM spectrum lol. Needless to say I was pissed. At any rate, while "continuing to auto tune" my MPG dipped really low (like fuel light on at 80 miles) and the bike began acting a little off. So I added another map then remapped it BACK to a non-custom (non-auto tune) map and "everything cleared up" perfectly. Back to tip top performance, back to 120 miles before the fuel light comes on, and back normal.

This was a huge benefit for me. Being this is the 1st time I used an FP3 on my bike there is a learning period but you can do that with this. At any time you can make changes, revert to other maps, or install custom maps if you are into that. Plus if you wanted to see all the details about the engine during riding, you could mount a phone to the bike and see all the mechanical details in real-time when driving.

Just my thoughts but do your own proper research so YOU will be happy with the decisions and choices that YOU end up making and that YOU have to live with.

Also, to me, just put in the V&H naked air intake (hi flow) and through on a Fireabrand Cannon at the same time and use the FP3 to tune it; you will NOT be disappointed. The add-on's are all preference but after doing about 3 weeks worth of research and discovery, this was the setup that I thought was the best possible for total cost outlay.

PS - if anyone wants to buy, or needs to buy, the "Chrome Cover" for the V&H Naked 02 intake let me know. I bought it for my bike and realized it was CHROME after I opened it lol. I never used it at all as I used the one in the kin and bought the black one I wanted. It's for sale and you save a bunch of money off NEW. They charge a crazy $60-$75 just for the cover so here is a chance to get one for much much less.



Best,

USVet
100% percent agree with you. This is a very good way of putting it. Do what makes you happy, but as vet says "you will NOT be disappointed". This product pepped my bike right up (silly CA emission laws) and I am always poking around in the app. It makes me happy having that much control and insight into what's happening with my bike right at my finger tips!
 

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I did a little research prior to buying my V&H FP3, since I live in California, they offered a California only FP3. So I looked more into why, and it turns out that the only difference between the CA FP3 and regular FP3 was the different maps that are offered. Seems as though the CA FP3 would not carry the maps for any aftermarket part that did not meet CA emissions. Like with mine I have the Vance & Hines Slip-on & V&H high flow intake, neither one is legal for street use in CA, and are not listed on their parts list for the CA FP3. Well I found a distributor that would ship me the non-CA parts, including the FP3 to a CA address. So if you are like me and live in the Emissions capital of the world "California" there is still hope to get the goods. And no worries about after market pipes being to loud and getting ticketed, as here in CA it is a secondary offense. which means that law enforcement can not pull you over for simply having loud pipes, even on a brand new bike, besides its not like they are thunder headers, even with you'd have to do something else to get pulled over for first, and then they would have to inspect your bike for CA emissions stickers. which of course mine does not have. BREAKING THE LAW......BREAKING THE LAW.....

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And also, if you just get the slip on (without installing a high flow intake as well) and it is NOT an open baffle core then I don't believe you need to remap the ECM.
Do you know if the Screaming Eagle would qualify as an open baffle core?
 

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Do you know if the Screaming Eagle would qualify as an open baffle core?
I do not believe it is not but I could be mistaken.

I believe, and have been advised, that the SE has a baffle core as diffuser rings inside that can be removed by the user. Removing these, however, may make it require the remap if it is now being seen by the ECM as an open core baffle.

The reasoning behind this is that more back pressure is created without a baffle core and this needs to be accounted for.

Just my thoughts.



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I did a little research prior to buying my V&H FP3, since I live in California, they offered a California only FP3. So I looked more into why, and it turns out that the only difference between the CA FP3 and regular FP3 was the different maps that are offered. Seems as though the CA FP3 would not carry the maps for any aftermarket part that did not meet CA emissions. Like with mine I have the Vance & Hines Slip-on & V&H high flow intake, neither one is legal for street use in CA, and are not listed on their parts list for the CA FP3. Well I found a distributor that would ship me the non-CA parts, including the FP3 to a CA address. So if you are like me and live in the Emissions capital of the world "California" there is still hope to get the goods. And no worries about after market pipes being to loud and getting ticketed, as here in CA it is a secondary offense. which means that law enforcement can not pull you over for simply having loud pipes, even on a brand new bike, besides its not like they are thunder headers, even with you'd have to do something else to get pulled over for first, and then they would have to inspect your bike for CA emissions stickers. which of course mine does not have. BREAKING THE LAW......BREAKING THE LAW.....

my 2 cents.
Hahah. Love it!



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USVet
 
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