Okay, I’m a synthetic microbiologist that depends on scientific facts not placebo science like Lysenko did. Anecdotal information is not science, but only what one thinks and/or accounts as science as truth without scientific facts to back up theories and no accountability for their actions.
Quote: Do what the book says... but for those that can understand the science... educate yourself and save...
Please inform all of us of the scientific facts you’re talking about and the test that were conducted to prove what you say is factual and not some anecdotal account? After all you brought up about the science so please enlighten us and give us your references please. So we all can be educated ourselves as well as you are. Only scientific facts and testing please.
Quote: Free warranty hint...... something does go wrong... fill the **** thing up with 91 before you take it in and practice the "I know nothing" speech.....
So now you’re admitting your own doubtfulness on this subject with this quote and you what all of us to… lie? Did you know there are some younger forum members that could be reading this and now you just told them to lie and cheat their way into life! I’m I understanding this correctly?
If there is any scientific fact, and if Harley-Davidsons’ engineers don’t have an inkling what they are talking about, have you then tried to educate them on this subject? Are you a metallurgist or a quantum mechanical physics professor on the combustible engine? Did you ever think that HD is covering all bases with all people no matter were their geographical location is are the topography of their landscape above or below sea level when they say use premium gas…well they are and Victory Motorcycles does the same thing. For the few pennies you’re saving it’s not worth the trouble to not do what the owner manual says. So maybe you’ll have to forgo that Café Latte at Starbucks and just get the cream and sugar instead.
Quote: I am not posting to convert, I just want the information out there that "PREMIUM" is a marketing ploy; the gasoline's octane level has not one thing to do with quality... Premium is used to make people believe they are getting something better... they are not... because of the prevalence of injectors now all quality gasolines are detergent and all from a single manufacturer contain the same amount of detergent.
Okay, so now premium gas is “Dr.Oz’s” newest placebo that’s being sold under false pretenses for all these years? We’ve been bamboozled into believing that we’ve done something good, when all along we have done nothing for the betterment of our combustible engines? The petroleum companies are not only polluting our oceans but our minds too! The inhumanity of it all! So when BP cleans their premium gas to a micron filter clear state instead of that Carmel color that’s all just a ploy?
By the way: Is anything that is said above in this quote, has to do with that “science” you were talking about? Do you really think people on this forum have the education of a June bug?
Quote: I never look to the owners manual to tell me about gasolines. I look to the owners manual to tell me about what is recommended at SEALEVEL for octane.
I do care about what Gasolines I am running in my bikes. And since HD does not make gasoline I look to the Gasoline companies for guidance....
Really! You never look at the owners’ manual for petro suggestions? Then I suggest you stay away from BMW’s, Mercedes-Benz, Jaguars, Porsche’s, or any other high-end automobile because all their owner manuals say what kind of gas to use and if you don’t …then your warrantees is void! Also, not one of these companies make gas for their own automobiles, but they do have the MIT engineers that designed those engines in those cars tell them what to use in their cars for best performance. But I’m sure those MIT grads know that premium gas is only a placebo so why recommend it in the first place…right!
Do you really think the HD engineers are standing around with a piece of straw hanging out of their mouths and barefoot and saying Heehaw and they don’t have a clue what they’re talking about? Give me a break!
We appreciate the articulated elucidation but the persiflage is a bit much
To start off I want to say Science is only the proof, there can be no science without a theory that needs to be proven. I'm sure that itchs many the wrong way but its cold hard fact, Science proves a feeling not the other way around.
Back to our regular scheduled programming, you've made quite a few assumptions about the nature of bally's rant and gone straight for the guns. Now I wont even attempt to answer for the man because its really not my place, but I do find it funny that you went to all this trouble ranting and raving and STILL completely missed the point.
HD themselves has said 87 or above. The argument was that you don't need 91, So what's YOUR point? That you have a problem with how the other point was made, or is this simply your opinion of an opinion?
So now you’re admitting your own doubtfulness on this subject with this quote and you what all of us to… lie? Did you know there are some younger forum members that could be reading this and now you just told them to lie and cheat their way into life! I’m I understanding this correctly?
There are 2 Rules in this life, 1: Never reveal everything you know, 2:.....
Take the weaker position and control from below.
Premium is a marketing ploy, hand over fist. Ever notice how Premium is branded as the cleaner friendlier petrolium? Kind of funny considering we're head first into the war on hydrocarbons. Ever notice how everything "Green" is extortionately expensive for the value provided? The narrative transfers to fuel as well, especially for those who "want" to be greener/environmentally friendly because of course its in all the magazines and all the cool kids are doing it, its unthinkinable to stand out from the crowd right? Around these parts the premium fuel is all branded as ~15% friendlier for the environment, "an environmentally responsible choice"
Higher octanes don't burn efficiently if the engine is not absolutely designed to absolutely NEED 91+, because the hydrocarbons don't burn off proper you actually get the ADVERSE effect of what its pitched to do. More waste out the tail and even dirtier valves...
"I’m a yogi eco person," she told Marketplace. "I don’t know if it’s true or not, but in my mind, I believe it’s true that if I buy the higher-grade gas, it burns cleaner."
She was shocked when she learned the results of the testing.
"I'm speechless," she said. "Now I’m driving my car knowing it has premium gas in it, wondering if my emissions are higher than if I was driving my car with regular gas."
You know what, if I was big oil I'd take advantage of these people everyday just the same. Big Oil isn't polluting our minds, but they're certainly maximizing the fact that logic seems to of been shot.
Now, how bout them bikes
